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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/do-you-believe-personality-disorder-diagnoses-are-pathologizing/comment-page-1/#comment-27253</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This so called placing disorders on individuals remind me nothing more than the &quot;perfect Race&quot; mentality. Real disorders one is born genetically with. I&#039;d never tell someone with down sydrome they have problems nor someone naturally violent, but certain people are paid to do so. In my view a sick practice with no real ounce of cure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This so called placing disorders on individuals remind me nothing more than the &#8220;perfect Race&#8221; mentality. Real disorders one is born genetically with. I&#8217;d never tell someone with down sydrome they have problems nor someone naturally violent, but certain people are paid to do so. In my view a sick practice with no real ounce of cure.</p>
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		<title>By: Adan Tromp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adan Tromp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will not debate with your endings because I think you&#039;re exact on the money! You have put together a logical case for your opinions and now I know more about this extraordinary topic. Thanks for this supreme post.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrea37</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea37</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are very naive, I&#039;m afraid. Personality disordered people are lacking in empathy, which is what makes us human. They are fundamentally flawed. These &quot;people&quot; are born with a genetic predisposition for it and if their environment is condusive to producing it, it will happen. The DSM may break it down to various disorders, but I contend that it is all part of a spectrum, from malignant narcissism to sociopathy to psychopathology (every sociopath and every psychopath is a narcissist). Therapy may help them cope better in life, but most of the time it only gives them more tools to do harm to others. What you are promoting is very dangerous to those who must deal with them. I&#039;m not religious, but even the bible is riddled with warnings about them. They are referred to as &quot;the wicked&quot;; for a reason! They are abusive, whether overtly or covertly, and they are the reason the world is in the place it is in today. I hope you do not treat the victims of these monsters, because they would certainly be re-victimized since your sympathies lie with evil. Perhaps you yourself are disordered? That would explain your crazy rationalizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are very naive, I&#8217;m afraid. Personality disordered people are lacking in empathy, which is what makes us human. They are fundamentally flawed. These &#8220;people&#8221; are born with a genetic predisposition for it and if their environment is condusive to producing it, it will happen. The DSM may break it down to various disorders, but I contend that it is all part of a spectrum, from malignant narcissism to sociopathy to psychopathology (every sociopath and every psychopath is a narcissist). Therapy may help them cope better in life, but most of the time it only gives them more tools to do harm to others. What you are promoting is very dangerous to those who must deal with them. I&#8217;m not religious, but even the bible is riddled with warnings about them. They are referred to as &#8220;the wicked&#8221;; for a reason! They are abusive, whether overtly or covertly, and they are the reason the world is in the place it is in today. I hope you do not treat the victims of these monsters, because they would certainly be re-victimized since your sympathies lie with evil. Perhaps you yourself are disordered? That would explain your crazy rationalizations.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently sought help for MD and was diagnosed with PDNOS. When the therapist told me the diagnosis, I immediately felt shame and protested it. However I deferred to her expertise and accepted that the diagnosis was more than likely accurate. I always suspected I had a neuroses, whose underlying conflict I could uncover and work through. PD has me dejected and confused. It seems to me the distinction has to do with whether successful attachment with my mother took place. It seems trauma can be overcome if attachment was successful. What confuses me further is that a new therapist I am seeing, told me that PDNOS is a diagnosis that is given out when the doctors are not really sure what the problem is. I suspect he was trying to assuage my concerns about the extent of my damage. My question to the practioners is if they have ever succeeded in helping a patient recover to a stable state of calm,  vitality and self-acceptance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently sought help for MD and was diagnosed with PDNOS. When the therapist told me the diagnosis, I immediately felt shame and protested it. However I deferred to her expertise and accepted that the diagnosis was more than likely accurate. I always suspected I had a neuroses, whose underlying conflict I could uncover and work through. PD has me dejected and confused. It seems to me the distinction has to do with whether successful attachment with my mother took place. It seems trauma can be overcome if attachment was successful. What confuses me further is that a new therapist I am seeing, told me that PDNOS is a diagnosis that is given out when the doctors are not really sure what the problem is. I suspect he was trying to assuage my concerns about the extent of my damage. My question to the practioners is if they have ever succeeded in helping a patient recover to a stable state of calm,  vitality and self-acceptance.</p>
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		<title>By: Cris Stahl</title>
		<link>http://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/do-you-believe-personality-disorder-diagnoses-are-pathologizing/comment-page-1/#comment-2133</link>
		<dc:creator>Cris Stahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term personality disorders has been so overused it is often used as a &quot;trash can&quot; diagnosis for clients that push our buttons, are difficult, or don&#039;t respond well to our treatment. The symptoms we see in these diagnoses are the result of a number of developmental, biological, and emotional issues that can often be helped. Whether learned or genetically tranferred, some people have a difficult time with affect regulation, distress tolerance, and other skills that help most of us to manage daily conflicts, emotions, and stress. Labels like these are not very useful except for the need to classify a condition of behavioral, emotional, and psychological challenges. Clients need to believe in themselves and make sense of why they are having such difficulty. With support, a good therapist can help such clients to access their own selves, learn, and practice the skills that were once blocked or absent due to trauma in one&#039;s early development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term personality disorders has been so overused it is often used as a &#8220;trash can&#8221; diagnosis for clients that push our buttons, are difficult, or don&#8217;t respond well to our treatment. The symptoms we see in these diagnoses are the result of a number of developmental, biological, and emotional issues that can often be helped. Whether learned or genetically tranferred, some people have a difficult time with affect regulation, distress tolerance, and other skills that help most of us to manage daily conflicts, emotions, and stress. Labels like these are not very useful except for the need to classify a condition of behavioral, emotional, and psychological challenges. Clients need to believe in themselves and make sense of why they are having such difficulty. With support, a good therapist can help such clients to access their own selves, learn, and practice the skills that were once blocked or absent due to trauma in one&#8217;s early development.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Bob Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/do-you-believe-personality-disorder-diagnoses-are-pathologizing/comment-page-1/#comment-1981</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Bob Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely and completely agree. So-called personality disorders are signs of extreme childhood trauma or neglect, and as such they can be worked with. I hate labels: they tend to be prisons.
Currently I have a 38 year old male client. He has been lumbered with various labels including sociopathic personality disorder, DID, schizophrenia and antisocial personality disorder.
He IS none of those things, although he used to exhibit behaviours that fit the diagnostic categories of all of these except schizophrenia. He does have multiple personalities, and until about 6 months ago, when the &#039;8 year old boy&#039; was in charge, he was murderous.
You&#039;ve guessed it. He became a street kid and marijuana user at 8 years of age.
All the same, he, and everyone he knows him are surprised that nowadays the rage is rarely triggered. When it is, he can almost always control it.

All these labels actually give very little useful information. The question is NOT the particular pattern of behaviours a person exhibits, but the strengths that will allow him/her to learn new ones and overcome the old habits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely and completely agree. So-called personality disorders are signs of extreme childhood trauma or neglect, and as such they can be worked with. I hate labels: they tend to be prisons.<br />
Currently I have a 38 year old male client. He has been lumbered with various labels including sociopathic personality disorder, DID, schizophrenia and antisocial personality disorder.<br />
He IS none of those things, although he used to exhibit behaviours that fit the diagnostic categories of all of these except schizophrenia. He does have multiple personalities, and until about 6 months ago, when the &#8216;8 year old boy&#8217; was in charge, he was murderous.<br />
You&#8217;ve guessed it. He became a street kid and marijuana user at 8 years of age.<br />
All the same, he, and everyone he knows him are surprised that nowadays the rage is rarely triggered. When it is, he can almost always control it.</p>
<p>All these labels actually give very little useful information. The question is NOT the particular pattern of behaviours a person exhibits, but the strengths that will allow him/her to learn new ones and overcome the old habits.</p>
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		<title>By: Regina Sewell</title>
		<link>http://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/do-you-believe-personality-disorder-diagnoses-are-pathologizing/comment-page-1/#comment-1411</link>
		<dc:creator>Regina Sewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it&#039;s harmful to diagnose people with a personality disorder and take it a step further.  I have co-facilitated a DBT group for people diagnosed as having Borderline Personality Disorder and saw that the group and the exercises we did helped the participants get better control over their emotional lives, I also saw them use their diagnosis as an excuse for not changing, saw a hopelessness set in, even as we worked with them to find a way out.  I also remember doing a group project on Borderline Personality Disorder in my Treatment of Mental and Emotional Disorders Class.  One classmate&#039;s task was to interview counselors working in the field about how they made the diagnosis.  Although there are some instruments that are designed to measure the symptoms, most practitioners in the field that my classmate interviewed admitted that they usually reserved the label for clients who were &quot;pains in the butt.&quot;  

And, it seemed to me that the diagnosis got in the way of their being able to find therapists who were willing to work with them because of the negative reputation people who have such a label have, no matter where they are in the process of healing and self-transformation.

Finally, as a psychodramatist, I find it more useful to work with people in terms of the roles they play and the role choices they make because this allows us to experiment with different ways of playing roles than seem important and drop the roles that they find no longer serve them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it&#8217;s harmful to diagnose people with a personality disorder and take it a step further.  I have co-facilitated a DBT group for people diagnosed as having Borderline Personality Disorder and saw that the group and the exercises we did helped the participants get better control over their emotional lives, I also saw them use their diagnosis as an excuse for not changing, saw a hopelessness set in, even as we worked with them to find a way out.  I also remember doing a group project on Borderline Personality Disorder in my Treatment of Mental and Emotional Disorders Class.  One classmate&#8217;s task was to interview counselors working in the field about how they made the diagnosis.  Although there are some instruments that are designed to measure the symptoms, most practitioners in the field that my classmate interviewed admitted that they usually reserved the label for clients who were &#8220;pains in the butt.&#8221;  </p>
<p>And, it seemed to me that the diagnosis got in the way of their being able to find therapists who were willing to work with them because of the negative reputation people who have such a label have, no matter where they are in the process of healing and self-transformation.</p>
<p>Finally, as a psychodramatist, I find it more useful to work with people in terms of the roles they play and the role choices they make because this allows us to experiment with different ways of playing roles than seem important and drop the roles that they find no longer serve them.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/do-you-believe-personality-disorder-diagnoses-are-pathologizing/comment-page-1/#comment-1321</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 03:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chuck, 
I disagree that all labels are equally pathologizing.  If you read my post you will see I argue that the term “Personality Disorder” is uniquely shaming and unnecessary.  Being told by a therapist that you have depression, anxiety, or some other diagnosed condition, is nowhere near as potentially hurtful as being told that your personality is disordered.  I have no problem using certain labels from the DSM and I don’t think all labels are necessarily shaming.  There are many good labels we attach to ourselves and others.

Also, I want to reiterate that to practice nonpathologizing therapy does not require one to believe that pathology doesn’t exist. Non-pathologizing means viewing a person as greater than their problems. It does not mean problems do not exist, it means NOT viewing the problems as the whole person or the whole person as the problems.   In nonpathologizing therapy we try to “do no harm” and because the PD label is often times harmful and at least unnecessary for treatment, we don’t use it.

Noah :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chuck,<br />
I disagree that all labels are equally pathologizing.  If you read my post you will see I argue that the term “Personality Disorder” is uniquely shaming and unnecessary.  Being told by a therapist that you have depression, anxiety, or some other diagnosed condition, is nowhere near as potentially hurtful as being told that your personality is disordered.  I have no problem using certain labels from the DSM and I don’t think all labels are necessarily shaming.  There are many good labels we attach to ourselves and others.</p>
<p>Also, I want to reiterate that to practice nonpathologizing therapy does not require one to believe that pathology doesn’t exist. Non-pathologizing means viewing a person as greater than their problems. It does not mean problems do not exist, it means NOT viewing the problems as the whole person or the whole person as the problems.   In nonpathologizing therapy we try to “do no harm” and because the PD label is often times harmful and at least unnecessary for treatment, we don’t use it.</p>
<p>Noah :)</p>
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		<title>By: Therapist Boerne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Therapist Boerne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 02:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, labels can be &quot;pathologizing&quot; [sic]. All labels! But that&#039;s the state of the art as we have to live with. I would prefer to just deal with a &quot;person with problems&quot;. Why not object to the use of &quot;major&quot; depression or &quot;generalized&quot; anxiety? Open the DSM to any page. Almost all mental health conditions are an expression of some arbitrary decision to determine that, on a continuum, this set of symptoms goes beyond some perception of normalcy or acceptable behavior. Placing any label from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of MENTAL DISORDERS is, de facto, defining a problem as pathology

I rarely use a PD Dx, but, if I agree to accept insurance reimbursement, I must also accept the tool (DSM) that they and the APA have made part and parcel of that agreement.

Until the APA and the insurance industry change the DSM, I say let practitioners list PDs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, labels can be &#8220;pathologizing&#8221; [sic]. All labels! But that&#8217;s the state of the art as we have to live with. I would prefer to just deal with a &#8220;person with problems&#8221;. Why not object to the use of &#8220;major&#8221; depression or &#8220;generalized&#8221; anxiety? Open the DSM to any page. Almost all mental health conditions are an expression of some arbitrary decision to determine that, on a continuum, this set of symptoms goes beyond some perception of normalcy or acceptable behavior. Placing any label from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of MENTAL DISORDERS is, de facto, defining a problem as pathology</p>
<p>I rarely use a PD Dx, but, if I agree to accept insurance reimbursement, I must also accept the tool (DSM) that they and the APA have made part and parcel of that agreement.</p>
<p>Until the APA and the insurance industry change the DSM, I say let practitioners list PDs.</p>
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		<title>By: Therapist Boca Raton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Therapist Boca Raton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 06:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a  professional mental health therapist AND also a survivor of severe depression and anxiety who endured over 30 ECTs, I can say without a DOUBT that defining ANYONE by a diagnosis in counterproductive and hurtful.

As far a personality disorders go, I agree with you 100%!  No one is a borderline or even a depressive.  

As a mental health professional, I am disheartened by the profession&#039;s useage of 3rd person language... ie.. a BD, a schizoprehnic..etc.  Again, NO ONE is a diagnosis.  

The concept you are utulizing.. empowerment.. actually has been around for sometime and came from the peer movement.  Various peer and family mental health organizations have to stand up and take a bow for using their leverage to graciously impart the concept of empowerment and respect to professionals, who sadly enough usually took the &quot;medical model&quot; route of thinking about mental health clients.

I have had the privilege of working at a mental health linic in Denver, that is maintained in a partnership of clients and professionals who believe that empowerment is of utmost importance, in helping individuals gain quality of life. 

As trauma survivor of debilitating depression and anxiety, I found stabliization via the appropriate medication.  However, it was through empowerment oriented suppport groups and organizations, that I found my calling - helping others to acheive the same qaulity of life - via becoming an empowerment mental health professional.

I am interested in sharing with others my experiences and theirs in addition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a  professional mental health therapist AND also a survivor of severe depression and anxiety who endured over 30 ECTs, I can say without a DOUBT that defining ANYONE by a diagnosis in counterproductive and hurtful.</p>
<p>As far a personality disorders go, I agree with you 100%!  No one is a borderline or even a depressive.  </p>
<p>As a mental health professional, I am disheartened by the profession&#8217;s useage of 3rd person language&#8230; ie.. a BD, a schizoprehnic..etc.  Again, NO ONE is a diagnosis.  </p>
<p>The concept you are utulizing.. empowerment.. actually has been around for sometime and came from the peer movement.  Various peer and family mental health organizations have to stand up and take a bow for using their leverage to graciously impart the concept of empowerment and respect to professionals, who sadly enough usually took the &#8220;medical model&#8221; route of thinking about mental health clients.</p>
<p>I have had the privilege of working at a mental health linic in Denver, that is maintained in a partnership of clients and professionals who believe that empowerment is of utmost importance, in helping individuals gain quality of life. </p>
<p>As trauma survivor of debilitating depression and anxiety, I found stabliization via the appropriate medication.  However, it was through empowerment oriented suppport groups and organizations, that I found my calling &#8211; helping others to acheive the same qaulity of life &#8211; via becoming an empowerment mental health professional.</p>
<p>I am interested in sharing with others my experiences and theirs in addition.</p>
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		<title>By: GoodTherapy.Blog :) &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Do We Use Personality Disorder Diagnoses Anyway?</title>
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		<dc:creator>GoodTherapy.Blog :) &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Do We Use Personality Disorder Diagnoses Anyway?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to rant...

I am so tired of therapists and doctors labeling clients PD then in essence giving up on them. I had a recent incident with a client that I have worked with for 6 months. She attenpted to get more help by entering a day treatmnt program for her ED and was told by the MD, who has only read her chart that with her &quot;PD&quot; and SI was too severe for the program.&quot;

Of course the client calls after 3 hours of Binging and Purging saying &quot;What PD???&quot; Uggg!! I talked to the MD and she was so cold, compassionless, and in my opinion irritated by the client! Well, if you think she is PD (x3 BTW) then the last thing you shoud be is irritated. 

I can recall working in several inpt. tx centers as a mental health tech before I got my MA and hearing the staff talk poorly about the patients, esp. the BPD ones. If someone walked in with a BPD dx, you might as well hang a target around their neck! Where is the COMPASSION? If BPD is so difficult to manage as a therapist, imaging how hard it is for these people to live with! It is not a choice...neither is bulimia, binge eating or anorexia BTW. 

If you are burnt out, get out! 

I love my job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to rant&#8230;</p>
<p>I am so tired of therapists and doctors labeling clients PD then in essence giving up on them. I had a recent incident with a client that I have worked with for 6 months. She attenpted to get more help by entering a day treatmnt program for her ED and was told by the MD, who has only read her chart that with her &#8220;PD&#8221; and SI was too severe for the program.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course the client calls after 3 hours of Binging and Purging saying &#8220;What PD???&#8221; Uggg!! I talked to the MD and she was so cold, compassionless, and in my opinion irritated by the client! Well, if you think she is PD (x3 BTW) then the last thing you shoud be is irritated. </p>
<p>I can recall working in several inpt. tx centers as a mental health tech before I got my MA and hearing the staff talk poorly about the patients, esp. the BPD ones. If someone walked in with a BPD dx, you might as well hang a target around their neck! Where is the COMPASSION? If BPD is so difficult to manage as a therapist, imaging how hard it is for these people to live with! It is not a choice&#8230;neither is bulimia, binge eating or anorexia BTW. </p>
<p>If you are burnt out, get out! </p>
<p>I love my job!</p>
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		<title>By: Therapist Birmingham</title>
		<link>http://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/do-you-believe-personality-disorder-diagnoses-are-pathologizing/comment-page-1/#comment-1193</link>
		<dc:creator>Therapist Birmingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Noah,

I thought the article was really excellent.

You might like to check out forthelittleonesinside.com
It&#039;s Robyn Posin&#039;s website; very unpathologizing, and deeply humanizing.
All from a fairly radical woman&#039;s point of view.  However, I have plenty of men in my practice who have bought her deck of &quot;Rememberances&quot; cards and find them extremely helpful. 
If you do look at it let me know what you think.

Peace,
Nicole</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Noah,</p>
<p>I thought the article was really excellent.</p>
<p>You might like to check out forthelittleonesinside.com<br />
It&#8217;s Robyn Posin&#8217;s website; very unpathologizing, and deeply humanizing.<br />
All from a fairly radical woman&#8217;s point of view.  However, I have plenty of men in my practice who have bought her deck of &#8220;Rememberances&#8221; cards and find them extremely helpful.<br />
If you do look at it let me know what you think.</p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Nicole</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kendra, I really like your balanced approach to using diagnoses in your work.  You and a number of others who posted were able to demonstrate situations in which diagnostic concepts were valuable and helpful to people.  I want to clarify that I’m not against using diagnoses. I am however, in favor of a diagnostic system which more adequately describes human beings in non-shaming terms.  I believe “Personality Disorder” is often a harmful term and can be replaced with words which provide more adequate definition/understanding and accomplish everything positive that a diagnostic systems intends to.  I‘ve really enjoyed this forum and want to thank all of you who took the time to share your ideas!  Noah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kendra, I really like your balanced approach to using diagnoses in your work.  You and a number of others who posted were able to demonstrate situations in which diagnostic concepts were valuable and helpful to people.  I want to clarify that I’m not against using diagnoses. I am however, in favor of a diagnostic system which more adequately describes human beings in non-shaming terms.  I believe “Personality Disorder” is often a harmful term and can be replaced with words which provide more adequate definition/understanding and accomplish everything positive that a diagnostic systems intends to.  I‘ve really enjoyed this forum and want to thank all of you who took the time to share your ideas!  Noah</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Monique, I’m open to the idea that that entitlement can be developed without injury.  However, I do believe there is an injury which happens to children who are given everything they need and coached into selfishness.  Parents who focus on providing every possessions and gratification to their children can create entitled kids who learn to judge others who have less.   But these parents often lack in providing unconditional love and connection to their children.  Although generally unconscious of it, children raised this way can lack the experience of deep loving attachment.  This is not trauma, but it is a form of neglect which is passed down by parents who themselves did not realize what they were missing.  This experience does burden the child.  I think that person with a narcissistic wound doesn’t know what he or she is missing and to compensate for the Self-to-Self connection values the material and the external more than the average bear.  I’d love to hear what others think about this.  Noah </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Monique, I’m open to the idea that that entitlement can be developed without injury.  However, I do believe there is an injury which happens to children who are given everything they need and coached into selfishness.  Parents who focus on providing every possessions and gratification to their children can create entitled kids who learn to judge others who have less.   But these parents often lack in providing unconditional love and connection to their children.  Although generally unconscious of it, children raised this way can lack the experience of deep loving attachment.  This is not trauma, but it is a form of neglect which is passed down by parents who themselves did not realize what they were missing.  This experience does burden the child.  I think that person with a narcissistic wound doesn’t know what he or she is missing and to compensate for the Self-to-Self connection values the material and the external more than the average bear.  I’d love to hear what others think about this.  Noah</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Diana, Yeah, I too believe we are more than our personality.  Personality being the parts (ego states) of us engaged with the world and there are states of consciousness we can tap into which transcend the personality. I was using the statement &quot;what else are we other than our personality&quot; as a way to express the impact of being labeled as PD.  Personality is generally used to describe the sum total of who we are.  Thus if our personality is disordered, the “sum total of who we are” is tainted.  I hope I have made a good argument for the fact that people are not irreparable tainted or flawed.  Given enough time and attention/intervention people have the potential to heal. The difficulty is that we often don’t have enough time and many people have parts which are so dug into their protective stance for the purpose of survival that they resist the pull to wholeness. Noah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Diana, Yeah, I too believe we are more than our personality.  Personality being the parts (ego states) of us engaged with the world and there are states of consciousness we can tap into which transcend the personality. I was using the statement &#8220;what else are we other than our personality&#8221; as a way to express the impact of being labeled as PD.  Personality is generally used to describe the sum total of who we are.  Thus if our personality is disordered, the “sum total of who we are” is tainted.  I hope I have made a good argument for the fact that people are not irreparable tainted or flawed.  Given enough time and attention/intervention people have the potential to heal. The difficulty is that we often don’t have enough time and many people have parts which are so dug into their protective stance for the purpose of survival that they resist the pull to wholeness. Noah</p>
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		<title>By: Therapist Bethlehem</title>
		<link>http://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/do-you-believe-personality-disorder-diagnoses-are-pathologizing/comment-page-1/#comment-1163</link>
		<dc:creator>Therapist Bethlehem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently trained as an IFS therpist, i generally agree with the article above. But i work in world where diagnoses are a matter of course, and so here is how i handle it. 

In the spirit of empowering my clients, i view all diagnoses in the same light. I allow my clients to decide how useful or irrelevant it is to their treatment. When/if a client asks about a diagnosis, I use the metaphor of a Band-aid. I say, &quot;Diagnosis are like band-aids. Sometimes a band-aid can be useful to isolate a wound from the environement, to help keep it clean and promote healing. Other times, band-aids can actually cause a wound to fester and worsen, because it hinders the person&#039;s ability to create the conditions for healing. In the end, the band-aid itself has little or nothing to do with your actual process of healing. If it is useful for you to have a name for your experiences or to know that there are enough other people who struggle with the same kinds of things you are struggling with, for there to be a band-aid/label created for it, then use the Band-aid. If it hurts to have a label, or creates obstacles to your healing, then disregard it. Remind yourself that it is only a band-aid, a way doctor&#039;s came up with to isolate something so they could learn to heal it. The label is not the wound. Nor is the label the process of healing. Use a band-aid if it helps, but if it causes the wound to fester, toss it in the trash.&quot; 
 
I worked with a teen who was deeply wounded from a long trauma history, before I knew about IFS. Somewhere she heard someone refer to her as &quot;borderline personality disorder.&quot;  She called me between sesssions with anxious questions. She wanted to know what it meant. I read her the symptoms from the DSM-IV. She could identify with many of the symptoms listed. Then, i explained the band-aid metaphor and healing. And I added, &quot;if i had been through what you have been through, i also would fit some list in this book. It may not be the same list because each person responds differently, but i guarantee you, that your experience is human. The psyche splinters to protect itself; it is just what the mind does in response to trauma. None of your experience is outside of humanity. You are 100% human.&quot; i asked her was this useful information, she said, &quot;yes&quot;. 

Some clients have parts that feel better having a label for their experience. It allows them to feel power over, gain distance from, feel relief or bring more awareness to what feels like an out of control life. Others find it stigmatizing. Whatever the case, I trust the person&#039;s system to tell me what is most useful for their healing process. I generally do not discuss diagnoses with a client without being asked about it. I also get many questions, as i also work with children who are in residential treatment, who come to our agency already bearing a list of diagnoses. While the kids never ask, parents need a lot of information about labels.  Many of our families have adopted children who carry a wound of separation from the biological mother as well as severe trauma histories, which greatly impact the child&#039;s ability to be in relationship. In these cases, the whole family must heal together, and the parents must be willing to engage in a lifelong healing process for and with the child. I give them the same band-aid metaphor. Some parents thank me for seeing the their child as a unique, valuable being, others use the labels because it helps them understand and realize the issues are not always about how they are parenting. 

So, I unabashedly use whatever promotes healing for the client(s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently trained as an IFS therpist, i generally agree with the article above. But i work in world where diagnoses are a matter of course, and so here is how i handle it. </p>
<p>In the spirit of empowering my clients, i view all diagnoses in the same light. I allow my clients to decide how useful or irrelevant it is to their treatment. When/if a client asks about a diagnosis, I use the metaphor of a Band-aid. I say, &#8220;Diagnosis are like band-aids. Sometimes a band-aid can be useful to isolate a wound from the environement, to help keep it clean and promote healing. Other times, band-aids can actually cause a wound to fester and worsen, because it hinders the person&#8217;s ability to create the conditions for healing. In the end, the band-aid itself has little or nothing to do with your actual process of healing. If it is useful for you to have a name for your experiences or to know that there are enough other people who struggle with the same kinds of things you are struggling with, for there to be a band-aid/label created for it, then use the Band-aid. If it hurts to have a label, or creates obstacles to your healing, then disregard it. Remind yourself that it is only a band-aid, a way doctor&#8217;s came up with to isolate something so they could learn to heal it. The label is not the wound. Nor is the label the process of healing. Use a band-aid if it helps, but if it causes the wound to fester, toss it in the trash.&#8221; </p>
<p>I worked with a teen who was deeply wounded from a long trauma history, before I knew about IFS. Somewhere she heard someone refer to her as &#8220;borderline personality disorder.&#8221;  She called me between sesssions with anxious questions. She wanted to know what it meant. I read her the symptoms from the DSM-IV. She could identify with many of the symptoms listed. Then, i explained the band-aid metaphor and healing. And I added, &#8220;if i had been through what you have been through, i also would fit some list in this book. It may not be the same list because each person responds differently, but i guarantee you, that your experience is human. The psyche splinters to protect itself; it is just what the mind does in response to trauma. None of your experience is outside of humanity. You are 100% human.&#8221; i asked her was this useful information, she said, &#8220;yes&#8221;. </p>
<p>Some clients have parts that feel better having a label for their experience. It allows them to feel power over, gain distance from, feel relief or bring more awareness to what feels like an out of control life. Others find it stigmatizing. Whatever the case, I trust the person&#8217;s system to tell me what is most useful for their healing process. I generally do not discuss diagnoses with a client without being asked about it. I also get many questions, as i also work with children who are in residential treatment, who come to our agency already bearing a list of diagnoses. While the kids never ask, parents need a lot of information about labels.  Many of our families have adopted children who carry a wound of separation from the biological mother as well as severe trauma histories, which greatly impact the child&#8217;s ability to be in relationship. In these cases, the whole family must heal together, and the parents must be willing to engage in a lifelong healing process for and with the child. I give them the same band-aid metaphor. Some parents thank me for seeing the their child as a unique, valuable being, others use the labels because it helps them understand and realize the issues are not always about how they are parenting. </p>
<p>So, I unabashedly use whatever promotes healing for the client(s).</p>
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		<title>By: Therapist Berkhamsted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Therapist Berkhamsted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of great discussion here. I think earlier, Noah asked what else are we apart from our personality - perhaps I have misquoted. I think we are a lot more than personality - in psychoanalysis the term character is generally used , to indicate the unconscious parts of the interacting self, where &#039;personality&#039; generally is associated with consciousness, or self consciousness. padrenurgle suggests that psychotherapy participants have a right to know their diagnosis, in the same way as medical patients do - I agree with Elliot, the terms, symptom lists, and conceptions in the DSM will change, and already differ from other diagnostic systems - they are not &#039;facts&#039; but a system for communicating with other practitioners in a &#039;systematic&#039; and &#039;consistent&#039; method, and tools for aiding treatment planning - which should also be collaborative. Remember the term borderline was first used to indicate a practitioners&#039; uncertainty about whether someone was neurotic or psychotic - so historically it pertains to the practitioner, not the experience of the client/patient. 
I agree with Erin, prior diagnoses can be traumatic and can be the initial material that the participant wishes to or needs to deal with, and so it may be worthwhile for a practitioner to
indicate a level of comfort or familiarity - a gesture of welcome. 
Finally, I agree with Noah, that most of the PD categories are strongly associated with attachment systems -
primarally resistant/preoccupied (C) and disoriented/disorganised (D). Looking at the research around incoherent parent discourse in the AAI - and how this predicts the child&#039;s attachment scoring - is very compelling. Therefore a therapy that promotes the mutual construction of coherent discourse and narrative makes sense. 
I tend to think of people who fit some of the PD diagnoses as experiencing levels and registers of relational and representational distress, and salient, hostile or dismissive everyday responses from others - related to past trauma, sure, but not always identifiable, and more to the point, generating ongoing trauma - which such stigmatising terms often contributes to. 
Cheers,
DF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of great discussion here. I think earlier, Noah asked what else are we apart from our personality &#8211; perhaps I have misquoted. I think we are a lot more than personality &#8211; in psychoanalysis the term character is generally used , to indicate the unconscious parts of the interacting self, where &#8216;personality&#8217; generally is associated with consciousness, or self consciousness. padrenurgle suggests that psychotherapy participants have a right to know their diagnosis, in the same way as medical patients do &#8211; I agree with Elliot, the terms, symptom lists, and conceptions in the DSM will change, and already differ from other diagnostic systems &#8211; they are not &#8216;facts&#8217; but a system for communicating with other practitioners in a &#8217;systematic&#8217; and &#8216;consistent&#8217; method, and tools for aiding treatment planning &#8211; which should also be collaborative. Remember the term borderline was first used to indicate a practitioners&#8217; uncertainty about whether someone was neurotic or psychotic &#8211; so historically it pertains to the practitioner, not the experience of the client/patient.<br />
I agree with Erin, prior diagnoses can be traumatic and can be the initial material that the participant wishes to or needs to deal with, and so it may be worthwhile for a practitioner to<br />
indicate a level of comfort or familiarity &#8211; a gesture of welcome.<br />
Finally, I agree with Noah, that most of the PD categories are strongly associated with attachment systems -<br />
primarally resistant/preoccupied (C) and disoriented/disorganised (D). Looking at the research around incoherent parent discourse in the AAI &#8211; and how this predicts the child&#8217;s attachment scoring &#8211; is very compelling. Therefore a therapy that promotes the mutual construction of coherent discourse and narrative makes sense.<br />
I tend to think of people who fit some of the PD diagnoses as experiencing levels and registers of relational and representational distress, and salient, hostile or dismissive everyday responses from others &#8211; related to past trauma, sure, but not always identifiable, and more to the point, generating ongoing trauma &#8211; which such stigmatising terms often contributes to.<br />
Cheers,<br />
DF</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Fred, I really like the example you gave.  A few years back I experienced a similar thing and helped the person to have hope for healing because what they were experiencing was not genetically based bipolar, but the symptoms of something else entirely.  Rather than labeling it as a PD, I helped the person to get to know the parts of him involved in his mood swings.  Doing this was just as helpful and provided just as much relief and hope without saying to him that he had a syndrome called PD.  Rather we could develop respect, curiosity, and even compassion for the collection of symptoms which form the syndrome.  That&#039;s my thought.  Noah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Fred, I really like the example you gave.  A few years back I experienced a similar thing and helped the person to have hope for healing because what they were experiencing was not genetically based bipolar, but the symptoms of something else entirely.  Rather than labeling it as a PD, I helped the person to get to know the parts of him involved in his mood swings.  Doing this was just as helpful and provided just as much relief and hope without saying to him that he had a syndrome called PD.  Rather we could develop respect, curiosity, and even compassion for the collection of symptoms which form the syndrome.  That&#8217;s my thought.  Noah</p>
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